# How developers view testing and what to do about it **URL:** \ **Category:** Archive\ **Tags:** learning, automation\ **Created:** [1 April 2021 13:20 UTC](https://club.ministryoftesting.com/t/how-developers-view-testing-and-what-to-do-about-it/48978 "2021-04-01T13:20:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 5
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> [@maaike.brinkhof](#): > > Does anyone have a short video or article that we can send his way? I had done that a few weeks ago. Its not a “short” video, but interesting & worth watching. You can start at 1:07:00. Does that look helpful? > [@Developer said that testing is at the bottom of engineering](https://club.ministryoftesting.com/t/developer-said-that-testing-is-at-the-bottom-of-engineering/41580/9): > > @conrad.braam , @maaike.brinkhof - I agree we don’t need jerks and drama. Its not our duty to reason with such people. But, if we feel like it, then we could ask them why they think testers are at the bottom. Such discussions might reveal big problems in the org that might have remained unaddressed for too long. Talking to such devs might show you whether they concede their position when presented with sound arguments and/or evidence. If they genuinely do so, then you have “created” a dev who … --- _[View the full topic](https://club.ministryoftesting.com/t/how-developers-view-testing-and-what-to-do-about-it/48978)._