# Where did all the Test managers go?

**URL:** <https://club.ministryoftesting.com/t/where-did-all-the-test-managers-go/67486>\
**Category:** Discussions\
**Tags:** leadership, managing, 5in5\
**Created:** [12 May 2023 14:12 UTC](https://club.ministryoftesting.com/t/where-did-all-the-test-managers-go/67486 "2023-05-12T14:12:28Z")\
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**Post date:** [5 August 2023 10:08 UTC](https://club.ministryoftesting.com/t/where-did-all-the-test-managers-go/67486/28 "2023-08-05T10:08:13Z")

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+1 to the feeling mentioned here by Ben

I’ve worked 12+ years in testing in 3 different European countries and have never had a test manager in the proper sense of the profession.  
I’ve had managers that: approved my holidays, rejected my training requests, and sometimes gave me a raise, I reported the testing progress to, or rarely discussed with(every quarter).

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